Cant decide KB or Hellion

[410cougar]

Ive been around here for a while i just keep low key.

Each year about this time I get my self one new toy or a upgrade and since last year A new bike won over a Kenne Bell. This year is the year.

Now that the mustang is paid off its time to do some upgrades. The biggest issue is that I cannot decide what direction I want to go in KB or Hellion system. I have a 2004 mustang gt 5 speed with only 45k on the mill. Nothing has really been done other then a SLP catback JLT CAI and wheels and tires. So completely stock for the most part. I will not be upgrading the short block yet so I will be limiting my HP to 410-430 and this will be a semi daily driver in the summer.

The KB kit is 4995 and the Hellion is 5995.

KB Pro's

• Simple install
• drivable tune (will fine tune but drivable)
• low end torq as soon as you hit the skinny pedal

KB Con's

• hidden costs?
• its just another KB'd GT
• doesnt include suspension or exhaust upgrades (see Hellion Kit)
• Questionable support

Hellion Pro's

• More efficient
• More included upgrades (maf, suspension,exhaust)
• more potential down the road

Hellion Con's

• More expensive
• More envolved install
• tune cannot be driven on

Im leaning more towards the hellion kit due to the other upgrades that are included vs those that would adventually need to be added to the kb such as larger maf, xpipe, headers ect.

But both do have their appeal. Have 8g to play with so im trying to spend my money wisely.

Info:

KB '96-'04 Mustang 4.6 2V 2.1L Supercharger

Hellion 99-04 Mustang GT Single Turbo System - 350 to 850 HP



whats your thoughts in my shoes :yesno:.

JD

 

[javaking]

You really cant go wrong with either. ...Both make the power.The KB down low and the Hellion turbo up top.Go with your driving style but if you want my 2 cents everyone and there mother has a KB but the call is yours.Good luck.

 

[410cougar]

You really cant go wrong with either. ...Both make the power.The KB down low and the Hellion turbo up top.Go with your driving style but if you want my 2 cents everyone and there mother has a KB but the call is yours.Good luck.

What gearing do you recommend stay with the stock 3:27 or go up to at least a 3:55 (Hellion)


JD

 

[MaximumRisk]

Hellion all the way!!! (though I am a little biased ) More power, less stress on your engine (at the same boost level), a lot more growing potential, no belt throwing, intercooled, should I keep going? LOL

No, but seriously you cannot go wrong with either, but to me turbo is is the way go.
If you do go turbo stick with the 3:27's

 

[javaking]

I have 3:27 gears in my car (it`s a 92) but 3:55 work great too....go to turbomustang.com they will have a answer for it all.

 

[javaking]

Hellion all the way!!! (though I am a little biased ) More power, less stress on your engine (at the same boost level), a lot more growing potential, no belt throwing, intercooled, should I keep going? LOL

No, but seriously you cannot go wrong with either, but to me turbo is is the way go.
If you do go turbo stick with the 3:27's

Hello there turbo brother

 

[MaximumRisk]

Hello there turbo brother

What's going my man?!
I am here dieing for these damn winter to go away so I can take this damn car out

 

[410cougar]

thats my thoughts as well with the gearing. In the end it all balances out with upgrades for either but it really seems like the hellion would remove the need to upgrade a bunch of things to focus on others...like a short block to worked on in the mean time as we all know it will just be a matter of time in turning up the boost or just due to wear and tear.

No need for:

Headers
Regearing
Xpipe

focus more on suspension brakes and clutching. then have long block waiting.


JD

I think my minds already made up just looking for positive reinforcement. My previous builds have been decent looking rides but with no care for blowing something up as with my 86 gt with the twin JY t3/4's. I could have cared less but with this ride its must nicer and i definately want to be carefull as its my summer ride.

 

[MaximumRisk]

just keep boost levels low and you will be ok with your stock shortblock

 

[410cougar]

biggest issue is finding a reliable tuner in the rochester/buff area. P&J's went through a merger and from those ive spoke too not sure id let them mess with it. I think my only option is Kenedy's.

JD

 

[Timspony]

Turbo & 3.27's should work!

 

[dsblk93gt]

biggest issue is finding a reliable tuner in the rochester/buff area. P&J's went through a merger and from those ive spoke too not sure id let them mess with it. I think my only option is Kenedy's.

JD

Isn't Adam aka The Tuner Guy on here from Rochester?

 

[410cougar]

if he is reliable and from the local area that would be killer


JD

 

[Chuckie B]

I went with the KB last summer and had it done by Kennedys....turbo's great, free power and radical...but I went KB bc of my driving habits. i love to stomp on it and feel the 433tq @ just off idle RPMS...goodluck with either way you go but Bob is a great guy and i would def trust him.

 

[410cougar]

I went with the KB last summer and had it done by Kennedys....turbo's great, free power and radical...but I went KB bc of my driving habits. i love to stomp on it and feel the 433tq @ just off idle RPMS...goodluck with either way you go but Bob is a great guy and i would def trust him.

Ill have to give them a call. some one told me that if they (kenedy;s) doesnt do the install that they wont tune it. not sure how true that it is.

I will give them a yell tomorrow maybe...want to pull the trigger on purchasing a kit by next week.

JD

 

[Chuckie B]

Ill have to give them a call. some one told me that if they (kenedy;s) doesnt do the install that they wont tune it. not sure how true that it is.

I will give them a yell tomorrow maybe...want to pull the trigger on purchasing a kit by next week.

JD

If your order the kit thru kennedys you have to have them install it...but if you order the kit yourself and install it im sure they'll tune it?..as for tuning there isn't really isnt a ton to gain on a custom tune bc Kenne Bell's tunes are pretty dead nuts...as for me bob just ran the KB tune to make sure it was up to par and the air/fuel was right where it should be.

 

[Glueyes]

Hellion all the way!!! (though I am a little biased ) More power, less stress on your engine (at the same boost level), a lot more growing potential, no belt throwing, intercooled, should I keep going? LOL

No, but seriously you cannot go wrong with either, but to me turbo is is the way go.
If you do go turbo stick with the 3:27's

x2! i have 3:27's as well another thing to take into consideration better gas mileage

 

[410cougar]

so torn right now. ill make my final decision next friday. going to have alot to do as i also have the following parts sitting in the basement.

• H&R SS springs (not known if needed yet) might do coilover in rear if i use hellion
• Steeda X2 ball joints
• Steeds Bump Steer Kit
• MM cc plates
• MM Torq Arm
• MM Pan Hard Bar
• MM LCA's
• 31 spline axles
• eaton LSD
• 3:73 (not known if needed yet)
• SLP X pipe (not known if needed yet)
• SCT tuner
• 75 mm accufab tb and plenum

Feel sorry for the poor UPS/FedEx guys. most of the stuff i ordered last summer but handnt had the time to get on the car. Either way if im not using some of the parts I have 2 guys on stand buy that will buy them...wont loose much money.

I will also be ordering the cobra R front brake kit when i order the FI kit.

JD

 

[410cougar]

one question...if i go hellion I assume ill neet to order shocks as the upr kit doesnt come with them? im debating if i should upgrade to the MM kmember but that another +900 to the kit. what do you guys think. most of my rear suspension will be MM parts panhard, tork arm and LCA's.

Im taking a week off from work to lock my self in the soon to be father in laws garage.

JD

 

[dsblk93gt]

What k-member does the Hellion come with? Sounds like you have a nice pile of parts man!