looking to make 550-700rwhp...what should i get?
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looks like maybe i should upgrade my H/C/I on my current motor and run it for a bit...then maybe at some point i can build a dart based motor. at least then i can enjoy this motor a little more.
so give your thoughts:
Holley systemax II
edelbrock rpm II
different cam (custom?) or keep my f303
tw170s
afr185s
what upgrades to my fuel system do i need besides the walbro i have?
snow performance meth kit
do i need a msd 6al?
and moates or tweecer (will be a first time user so i plan to read ALOT over the winter lol)
so give your thoughts:
Holley systemax II
edelbrock rpm II
different cam (custom?) or keep my f303
tw170s
afr185s
what upgrades to my fuel system do i need besides the walbro i have?
snow performance meth kit
do i need a msd 6al?
and moates or tweecer (will be a first time user so i plan to read ALOT over the winter lol)
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Either intake is fine, I run the Edelbrock rpm 2, afr 185 are good decent heads, u don't need a meth kit for now unless your going with a power adder. That alphabet cam is ok for now. Try to invest in ford Anderson Pms this was u can dyno tune your car and get the best out of your combo. MSD 6al is a standard thing, Always equip yourself with that. I would deff run with what u have and if have the funds put on a main support system on that block and run a small charger like a S trim. when u get that dart block there's no need for a support system and u can throw a lot of boost with out worrying about your bottom end. Your fuel system u can run the 255 in tank and a vortech trex on the outside and upgrade your fuel rail to atleast the BBk rails that r cheap, dont forget the fuel regulator, run that until ur about to hit 500 hp then I would get the whole system done up with a sump tank and all. If u ask 100 people ur gonna get 100 different answers on how to go about your motor. Just my .02
What injectors r u running?
What injectors r u running?
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Both intakes and both heads are good, don't think there's an edge for one over the other. TW heads seem to have a better design to them but I think both the heads you listed will get you to your goals. As an FYI, my combo was holley intake with AFR185's running a TFS stage 1 cam and it worked great for me. I noticed FordStrokers now sells custom designed cams as a standalone item for $350. You fill out a cam info sheet that specs out everything you have and exactly what your goals and intent are and they build it. This is what I did when building my N/A dart 363. I wrote a novel on what I wanted it to do.
I ran a 190 in tank with a Trex booster and had no issues (fuel pressure steady at WOT and AFR's where they should be at the top end). You can try what you have and watch for drop in fuel pressure during your tuning and upgrade as needed.
Having tuned with all three (QH, tweecer, PMS), I recommend the QH. Lots of flexibility and data logging capability.
6AL, yes.
I prefer intercoolers/aftercoolers over meth kits for the same reason I prefer superchargers/turbos over nitrous. But you can't beat the cost effectiveness of a meth kit.
my 2.5cents.
-Chris
I ran a 190 in tank with a Trex booster and had no issues (fuel pressure steady at WOT and AFR's where they should be at the top end). You can try what you have and watch for drop in fuel pressure during your tuning and upgrade as needed.
Having tuned with all three (QH, tweecer, PMS), I recommend the QH. Lots of flexibility and data logging capability.
6AL, yes.
I prefer intercoolers/aftercoolers over meth kits for the same reason I prefer superchargers/turbos over nitrous. But you can't beat the cost effectiveness of a meth kit.
my 2.5cents.
-Chris
If you have the cash just get the TFS top end kit for $2500. It has everything you dont have that you need for a decent dime. It is a proven combo able to hit your mark with out peicing stuff together if ya feel me. I think they are like 350hp combo with out boost. Then another $450 for the proper meth kit. I never ran a meth kit with my s-trim and i still had a reliable street sweeper. I believe the heads with the kit are the 170's, for what you have it will be good. I hear that TFS uses the same castings on there 190's and 205's so you can always upgrade them with larger valves and heavier springs and a port job. Its not like you will have to sell them just upgrade when you get the new dart block. IMO
TFS heads and Holley intake with that F-cam will make 300-320rwhp all alone, then with the SC an easy 500rwhp. RPM II is close as well. The TFS kit is nice but you already have a cam so you might as well keep that but it is totally up to you.
My old combo was
331 8.5:1 stroker by Foxlake
TFS heads ported by Foxlake
TFS Stage 1 with 1.6 rockers
Holley Systemax
Never dynoed it but ran 13lbs of boost and it was definitely all there even with a super conservative tune. The cam was not the best choice bit great on the street. I wish I had some vids, all I have is one of it pulling a built LS7 GTO on the highway
My old combo was
331 8.5:1 stroker by Foxlake
TFS heads ported by Foxlake
TFS Stage 1 with 1.6 rockers
Holley Systemax
Never dynoed it but ran 13lbs of boost and it was definitely all there even with a super conservative tune. The cam was not the best choice bit great on the street. I wish I had some vids, all I have is one of it pulling a built LS7 GTO on the highway
happy thanksgiving to everyone. thanks for all the help. i dont mind shelling out a few hundred more if getting a new cam is better...dont i need new pushrods, timing chain and all that jazz as well?
also any recommendations on roller rockers with the tw170s? ive been reading they are equivelent to the afr185s but have better valve angles etc?
also any recommendations on roller rockers with the tw170s? ive been reading they are equivelent to the afr185s but have better valve angles etc?
Happy Thanksgiving to all as well. NP, glad to see this going in the right direction.
yes, you will need new pushrods and will have to use an adjustable pushrod to determine the optimal length to ensure the rocker tip is centered on the valve stem.
yes, TW170 are comparable to AFR185's due to the intake runner length being shorter due to the rotated design. shorter runner length, for a given/same flow area = lower volume.
yes, you will need new pushrods and will have to use an adjustable pushrod to determine the optimal length to ensure the rocker tip is centered on the valve stem.
yes, TW170 are comparable to AFR185's due to the intake runner length being shorter due to the rotated design. shorter runner length, for a given/same flow area = lower volume.
ive never done any kind of work below the valve covers...is it fairly simple i can do myself or should i have someone install these items for me? i want to learn so i would like to do it myself but i dont know if its a hard thing to do or anything? and any recommendations on pushrods and timing chain and rockers?
If you can follow directions and have a good mechanical inclination, then you can do it yourself. Get yourself a good shop manual, make sure you have the right tools, and take your time, its pretty involved to do a head/cam swap so if this is your first time, it may take awhile . . . but well worth the learning experience.
Any hardened pushrod, of the proper length, when using stud mount rockers with guideplates will do. I was provided Iskenders for my first build, they worked fine, no issues. Do a search on setting pushrod length on the Corral, i'm sure you'll find info on it.
Roller rockers, I've used the Probe pieces that I got from Coast High, they have a lifetime warranty on them. I've had to send a few back due to some issues with the roller tips but they were fixed. They are beefy as heck. My current build is using ultra golds from comp cams.
I used a timing chain from ford racing on my first build. no issues.
Couple other notes, always check piston to valve clearance, use quality head gasket, make sure to calc compression ratio from the heads you're looking to purchase, use head studs and torque down using arp moly lube.
Good luck.
-Chris
Any hardened pushrod, of the proper length, when using stud mount rockers with guideplates will do. I was provided Iskenders for my first build, they worked fine, no issues. Do a search on setting pushrod length on the Corral, i'm sure you'll find info on it.
Roller rockers, I've used the Probe pieces that I got from Coast High, they have a lifetime warranty on them. I've had to send a few back due to some issues with the roller tips but they were fixed. They are beefy as heck. My current build is using ultra golds from comp cams.
I used a timing chain from ford racing on my first build. no issues.
Couple other notes, always check piston to valve clearance, use quality head gasket, make sure to calc compression ratio from the heads you're looking to purchase, use head studs and torque down using arp moly lube.
Good luck.
-Chris
sweet...ill do some more reading up over the winter since it wouldnt' be until spring.
few more questions. which TW170s? the ones with upgraded springs or? they have a few different ones. also which MSD ignition...the 6-AL or the 6-AL2?
any recommendations on a really good meth kit? snow performance im thinking but they have a few different kits.
few more questions. which TW170s? the ones with upgraded springs or? they have a few different ones. also which MSD ignition...the 6-AL or the 6-AL2?
any recommendations on a really good meth kit? snow performance im thinking but they have a few different kits.
I like the Crane ignition boxes better than the old 6A series myself. I am running totally stock ignition with no issues, you can run a larger plug gap with one. Years ago my friend had one of the Accel ones that worked fine too, I did like the rev limit control on that as well since it was a dial.
These are the ones I think you are looking for.....
Trick Flow Specialties TFS-51400004-C01 - Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® 185 Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Really the basic TFS heads like these are plenty....
Trick Flow Specialties TFS-51400004 - Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® 170 Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford - Overview - SummitRacing.com
depends on what your future goals are, I had the basic TFS 170 but fully ported on my 331.
I bought an AEM kit on the recommendation of Bob Kurgan. They all work good, a lot of people use the Snow kits though.
These are the ones I think you are looking for.....
Trick Flow Specialties TFS-51400004-C01 - Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® 185 Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Really the basic TFS heads like these are plenty....
Trick Flow Specialties TFS-51400004 - Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® 170 Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford - Overview - SummitRacing.com
depends on what your future goals are, I had the basic TFS 170 but fully ported on my 331.
I bought an AEM kit on the recommendation of Bob Kurgan. They all work good, a lot of people use the Snow kits though.
