hey thanks for the feed back, after doin some more research and trust me im a big Blizzak fan, i found the Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice had even better ratings, esp in the low/high snow and ice category, and the ice was actually quite the bit higher in ratings too. im sure to let everyone know how they handle once they are on and seen some snow and ice for all those who drive there ponys all year round or are forced to unfortunately keep them on the road do to money situations like me right now