Beat a V-tec Honda

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89gtftw

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This kid has been talking tons of trash making jokes about my car. He wanted to race on the street the other day but i turned him down because even though im 17 years old im not that stupid. I told him we will take it to the track. He runs low 14s. I think he'll beat me because of the tons of wheel spin off the line. What do i need to smokem? I havent been to the track yet with mine so any racing tips would also help too! I do plan on going and practicing before too.

His Mods:
Acura Tranny
Ecu Chip upgrade
Weight Reduction. (backseats are out)
Nitto Drag Tires
Stage 2 Racing clutch

My Mods:
BBK Cold Air Intake
130 Amp alternator
Jasper Tranny.
 
ford20

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So the only real mod that would add HP is the BBK CAI correct? Do you have any sort of freer flowing exhaust or did you put in a performance chip?

Also his only real mods that would help him is a tune, some weight savings (maybe 40lbs.) and some DRs. What does he have a civic or a RSX?

If he is running low 14s you are going to need to add some HP, my V6 will keep up with and beat stock 5.0s and it supposedly runs low 15s at the track. I don't know much about the foxes but a performance chip, a TB, and maybe a new exhaust or midpipe that is less restrictive then stock would help you make some HP. 5.0 Mustang just did an article about simple bolt ons in their October issue, may be worth looking at.
 
Noterminator

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Most stock foxes 87 and newer ran mid-high 14's stock. So gears, short throw, DR's, full exhaust and the CAI you have should be more than enough to smoke his ass even with some wheel spin.
 
AdirondackFox08

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SuprSloBlkNotch89 said:
Most stock foxes 87 and newer ran mid-high 14's stock. So gears, short throw, DR's, full exhaust and the CAI you have should be more than enough to smoke his ass even with some wheel spin.
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Keep in mind that when they ran the stock foxes back then, they were new. Most stock foxes now with higher mileage won't run those numbers, unless with a good driver. Drag radials are pretty much needed for any trip to the track, but, the stock studs aren't that strong but at the stock power levels you may be fine. I saw a thread the other day a guy with a h/c/i fox sheared one of his axles at the track with drs. Gears would help out tremendously along with rear control arms.

I went to the track in June for my first time, it was a hot day with no track prep. I ran a 14.4 @ 96.5 mph with the stock motor, 3.73s, rear control arms, flsfcs, and a short throw with 14 degrees base timing. With street tires my 60ft suffered and managed a 2.1. So this will give you some idea of what may happen. The trap speed would be good enough for a 13.9, if I had drag radials and could hook up better.

With what you have now, take the rear seats out, the passenger side seat, and the spare tire and jack out. Put some 89 octane gas in and bump your timing to 14, see if it pings, if not, try 16, but if it pings, make sure to back the timing back down. Or just do 93 and run 16 degrees of base timing. It shouldn't be too bad to launch with the 2.73s, just try to lower the 60ft time as much as you can.
 
Noterminator

Noterminator

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AdirondackFox08 said:
Keep in mind that when they ran the stock foxes back then, they were new. Most stock foxes now with higher mileage won't run those numbers, unless with a good driver. Drag radials are pretty much needed for any trip to the track, but, the stock studs aren't that strong but at the stock power levels you may be fine. I saw a thread the other day a guy with a h/c/i fox sheared one of his axles at the track with drs. Gears would help out tremendously along with rear control arms.

I went to the track in June for my first time, it was a hot day with no track prep. I ran a 14.4 @ 96.5 mph with the stock motor, 3.73s, rear control arms, flsfcs, and a short throw with 14 degrees base timing. With street tires my 60ft suffered and managed a 2.1. So this will give you some idea of what may happen. The trap speed would be good enough for a 13.9, if I had drag radials and could hook up better.

With what you have now, take the rear seats out, the passenger side seat, and the spare tire and jack out. Put some 89 octane gas in and bump your timing to 14, see if it pings, if not, try 16, but if it pings, make sure to back the timing back down. Or just do 93 and run 16 degrees of base timing. It shouldn't be too bad to launch with the 2.73s, just try to lower the 60ft time as much as you can.
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True, but by now most foxes have been upgraded with lots of new parts. Not too many are stock these days. Very rare to see any with all original motor parts.
 
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89gtftw

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Thanks guys for all your help! I was planning on doing gears in about 3 weeks. Upgrading them to 3.73s. Than over the course of winter i was gunna do headers and Underdrive pulleys. Maybe rear controls depends on the money situation. Btw when i bought the car nothing was done to it. ALL ORIGINAL! lol. Lets just say i spent 500 dollars within the first week i owned it but i was expecting it for an old car. I also still have the old stuff that i swapped out besides the tranny(sold). Also i heard from a guy who owned an 86 mustang that if you run your alternator power wire to a switch,and you kill your alternator while your racing it adds 10-15hp. idk how true that is. Can't wait till spring comes so i can smoke this kid!
 
Mustang-Junky

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Explorer heads(GT-40p) and intake should get you 30-40 HP. I did not see where you are located, but there is a You-pull it around me that sells complete motors for $138, tax and core included. Get one of these, swap on your pan, cam, timing cover, and accessories. Use the Explorer intake and throttle body(65mm). For minimal money you could be making some good power. While you have it apart add some new rings and brearings for a fresh motor. 1.7 roller rockers would be a nice addition too. Sticky tires and a set of gears and you will be kicking some Honda ass!

Jess
 
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89gtftw

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Mustang-Junky said:
Explorer heads(GT-40p) and intake should get you 30-40 HP. I did not see where you are located, but there is a You-pull it around me that sells complete motors for $138, tax and core included. Get one of these, swap on your pan, cam, timing cover, and accessories. Use the Explorer intake and throttle body(65mm). For minimal money you could be making some good power. While you have it apart add some new rings and brearings for a fresh motor. 1.7 roller rockers would be a nice addition too. Sticky tires and a set of gears and you will be kicking some Honda ass!

Jess
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Thanks Jess! Where is the "You-pull it" located? Was planning to do the GT40 heads with a Trickflow Intake Mani. While putting the heads in i was going to put a stage 3 Comp Cam in as well.
 
ford20

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89gtftw said:
Thanks Jess! Where is the "You-pull it" located? Was planning to do the GT40 heads with a Trickflow Intake Mani. While putting the heads in i was going to put a stage 3 Comp Cam in as well.
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Sounds like you won't have a hard time wining :D ... But watch out for that V-Tec. when it kicks in, it can be a handful

 
Jays04mach1

Jays04mach1

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Stuff a Drag radial under it, a set of gears and a small shot of spray onto that Fox, and let it eat!!!! Even a 100 shot zex kit will leave that butt wad eating your hydrocarbons!!:evil:

Oh and he SAYS he runs 14's.......where's the timeslip? People talk trash a lot. An old drag racer taught me this......"When the green light drops, the bullshit stops"
 
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